JAZZ IMPROV MAGAZINE INTERVIEW with DAN JACOBS
TRUMPET SKETCHES
Dan Jacobs -jazz trumpet recording artist
Interview with Dan Jacobs
Interview taken by:
Jazz Improv Magazine January 2005 - reprinted March 2005
JI: What is your most important discovery as a working musician in Los Angeles?
DJ: My close friend Bobby Shew, definitely one of the “A-list” trumpet players internationally, gave me this tip when I first came to Los Angeles. He said, in the music business, people wouldrather work with musicians they like to be around and can get along with. He went on to say, of course it is vital to be able to perform competently and professionally, but given a choice with all other things being equal...people would still rather work with their friends!
On reflection, the simple and now obvious truth of this statement made all the difference in my career. Further, it put things in perspective for me in a way that nothing else had done up to that time. Yes, I had been trained and experienced as a trumpet player for years before, performing with all types of musical organizations from small groups, big bands, rock opera, road shows, etc., and getting gigs had always come easy for me. But, I never really examined why I got hired, thinking it was only because of the way I played. I now realize that actual performance is only part of the picture. Being able to get along with people you’re working with is the other side of that coin. After all, the people you’re playing with or hanging around with during the breaks are able to make the gig a pleasurable experience or something quite the opposite.
“Works of art are experienced by people -they are heard by people -they are felt and seen by people -not just a small clique of insiders.”
– Dan Jacobs
A recent experience might help to illustrate this point. I was hired to produce an album for an artist in another city. Though I had performed there before, when I needed players to work in the studio, I called upon my old friend and top studio player to get names of other guys to work on the project. He told me, “Lots of guys could cut this gig, but get this guy because he can play anything and he’s fun to have around.” He was right! I did hire the guys he recommended and was happy I did. Now, they are also my friends and they would be my first choice for any future project.
JI: How has working in the music business affected your life?
DJ: To begin, I read something by a famous producer that clarified this area for me. He said, there are two words in “music business,” music and business! You can’t completely separate them and remain viable. Unless you know something about the business side of music, in addition to the fact of creating music, you’ll run into difficulties unnecessarily. There are lots of books on the subject, seminars you can attend and other sources for information on the subject so that you can easily get a working knowledge of the area. These days, there is really no excuse for not having at least some working knowledge of the business side of things.
I’ve got musician friends that simply don’t want anything to do with the business side of music. They have dedicated themselves to being a player and that’s all they want to be. Admirable though this may be, it also is a limiting factor in my opinion. I was lucky enough to enjoy not only the creation of music but the production, marketing and promotion of it as well. Having produced over 30 albums, I’ve found that it requires 100% of your time, attention and dedication to create a professional musical product suitable to offer for sale—and another 100% of your time, attention and dedication to market and promote it successfully. This is where the “music business” operates. And you need to know something about it even if you can’t stand doing it yourself, so you can hire competent people to do it for you.
For myself, I consider that I’ve got the best job around; to be able to do what I love every day, whether in creating a musical product or in creating a way of reaching the public through marketing and promotion. None of this is work to me. It’s fun! Perhaps it’s because I enjoy every step of the creative process from conception to finally completing a project and getting it demanded and sold to the public.
Whatever it might be, when I’m able to make use of my musical skills and combine that with my experience in the business side of things, I find that things go easier and life is much more enjoyable. that with my experience in the business side of things, I find that things go easier and life is much more enjoyable.
JI: What kinds of encouragement did you receive growing up, and what was the environment like that led you and your two brothers to pursue this creative path?
DJ: With my two brothers, Chuck and Rod, I grew up in a very musical family and received ongoing encouragement in any musical pursuits from parents, friends and relatives as a normal part of my life. Everyone expected that we would follow some sort of creative musical career path, as it was so much a part of our lives from a very early age. Our family band, including me on trumpet, Chuck on bass and Rod on drums, our mother on piano, our sister on clarinet, and our “other brother,” Rick Culver, on trombone, won local and regional contests from the start, resulting in performances around the Midwest at any number of shows, concerts, misc. gigs etc. These experiences lead to all of us becoming seasoned performers in addition to being competent instrumentalists. To some degree we became involved in the “entertainment business” in addition to the “music business” as a result of these experiences.
From this, I figured out that: a) all practicing was done alone and was for my benefit; b) rehearsing was done for the benefit of the group; c) that the performance was for the audience! And that concept stays with me to this day.
JI: Tell us about the concepts you had for creating the music on your two albums Jazz Standard Time and your recent release, “Blue After Hours”
DJ: The question is best answered with this short story that my wife, Myrna, wrote around the time that “Jazz Standard Time,” was recorded in late 2001: “One day on a rainy Paris afternoon, over a cup of espresso, Dan, the oldest of the three brothers, decided it had been long enough without a ‘Jacobs Brothers’ CD. The idea was then born to just set a studio date, have everyone show up, then figure out where to go from there! So, that is what happened. Chuck showed up with his bass, Rod set up his drums Randy Dorman, was there to play guitar on the project and Dan on trumpet. It was early in the morning and they set up and began to play. They played, improvised, and tried new things, each adding their own special influences. It was loose yet disciplined by experience and professionalism. Music is best played that way and it turned just how Dan envisioned. Everyone had fun, had something to contribute and left wanting to do it again.” And, it turned out to be a very popular CD.
The second project, Blue After Hours was conceived one evening when my wife and I were listening to some jazz during dinner. We got the idea of producing a project that was deeply personal and yet universally acceptable. We decided to try to capture the unique essence of a live jazz performance in a club like Caveau de la Huchette in Paris, Bakers Keyboard Lounge in Detroit, or the Blue Note Jazz Club in New York.
It’s that feeling you get while experiencing an exhilarating night of listening to jazz, where you’re transformed by a club full of strangers united for one common aesthetic purpose; the smells and sounds of people, smoke, booze and jazz; the feeling of being crowded around a small, well-used table in front of the bandstand at any one of a thousand small jazz clubs around the world being pleasantly seduced by the sounds of live jazz being played in the environment in which it was born.
We wanted the CD to stir old memories of some of those times in the past...or let the listener imagine what it might be like to experience it sometime in the future. That was the birth of the concept for, Blue After Hours now released and available worldwide. From initial feedback and media reviews, we accomplished our objective with this project.
JI: How has your playing and overall perspective grown as a result of the two jazz albums you’ve recorded, “Jazz Standard Time” and “Blue After Hours?”
DJ: My appreciation for all the “invisible” steps that have to occur for any project to be released has grown tremendously. What you see and hear at the end is the finished product, but what you don’t see is all the other things that have to be done expertly for the final CD to reach the listener with the level of quality that was envisioned. I’ve also learned that seeking only perfection is a trap. This is because as you get closer to perfection, your skill and awareness inevitably get better and you now see how it could be improved even further. You have to learn when to call it done. And when is that? In my mind, any work of art is done when the technique involved is sufficient to touch the listener with the intended message.
I feel that works of art are experienced by people; they are heard by people and felt by people...not just for a small clique of insiders. I’ve always thought that the message of the music was more important than the technique used to accomplish it. If what I’m playing doesn’t touch people, to me it doesn’t matter how much technique I display. I’m convinced the reason for technique is to help facilitate the delivery of my message, which is always more important to me. The focus of my playing is to do whatever is necessary to reach people, to touch them with my music. Everything else is secondary in my opinion. else is secondary in my opinion.
JI: What were the jazz recordings or performances that you first heard that inspired you to develop your improvisational skills, and what kind of feeling did you get from those?
DJ: I first heard Louis Armstrong shortly after I began playing trumpet. I got to meet him twice after the concerts and two things stuck with me. First of all, he was a consummate entertainer and was also a phenomenal musician. He was really the first one of his stature that I’d seen who was competent and comfortable in both areas. As a player, his tone, phrasing, dynamics, sense of time, note placement and ability to always swing made him the ideal performer. And as an entertainer, he always seemed to thoroughly enjoy playing for the audience. Like all the really top performers and entertainers I’ve played with over the years, like Bob James, Woody Herman, Wayne Newton, Johnny Mathis, Mel Tome, Linda Ronstadt, Aaron Neville, and Kenny Rogers for example, they all made you feel that this performance was just for you!
“I believe that artists are arguably the most valuable people on earth. For they seek to inject the culture with all the art, beauty or aesthetics you find on this planet. Without the working artist, the world would not be as livable, and, I’m proud to be counted as one of them.”
– Dan Jacobs
The next jazz recordings that really turned my head around were the Stan Getz/Chet Baker Quartet records of the ‘50s. I had never heard anything like it before and it definitely touched me emotionally! The tone of the Chet’s trumpet and his sense of harmony and phrasing were and are pure aesthetics to me. I practically wore the grooves of that LP down to nothing from listening to it over and over. Miles and Kind of Blue and subsequent albums also opened more musical doors for me. Both of those records inspired me to further develop my improvisational skills to be able to get out of the horn what I was feeling inside. Since then, I’ve listened to and studied not just trumpet players, but all types of music. I’ve found that any great music will reach me, sometimes in profound ways.
JI: Who have been some of the most influential musicians in your development, and what specific ways have they impacted your music and artistry?
DJ: From my viewpoint all current trumpet players owe a debt to the great players who paved the way; Louis Armstrong, Bix Beiderbeck, Dizzy, Clifford, Kenny Dorham, Chet, Miles, Blue Mitchell, Freddie, Woody Shaw, Tom Harrell, Wynton, Enrico Rava, Randy Brecker, Bobby Shew, Nick Payton and too many others to mention. Each contributed in their own way and they all have and are continuing to contribute to the development of jazz trumpet specifically and the art form generally.
JI: Could you share some of your perspectives about learning how to improvise and the process of improvisation?
DJ: At twelve years old, when I started playing trumpet, I was able to improvise before I could read music; it just came “natural” to me so then I had to backtrack and fill in the technical gaps from my early training. Primarily, I concentrated on learning the melody to the songs I was playing, as I was the lead instrument in the band.
Consequently, my soloing was mainly melodic interpretation in the beginning, but, as my solos made sense in that context, it gave me the confidence to continue developing my skills and competence. At that time, I was playing mostly standards so I began to learn the words to the songs, too.
This exercise helped me tremendously as it gave me a “connection” to the songs that showed up in my solos. Later, as I learned more scales and alternate chord changes I would think of my own melodies, write them out to practice over the chord changes to the song. This too, was a “rapid-launch” method to gain confidence and certainty in my improvising that I would recommend to anyone. When I was coming up, there were always jam sessions and places to play jazz live. So, I took advantage of this and sat in wherever and whenever I could. This gave me some great exposure to better players resulting in lots of growth for me personally.
My perspective on the process of improvisation in general is basically simple. Improvisation means to create spontaneously and play what you hear naturally. In the beginning stages of learning about improvisation, I feel it is important not to edit yourself too much. Just get used to hearing a note or phrase in your mind then try to play that same note or phrase with your instrument. The old saying, “strive for tone” is still the most important part of improvising in my opinion. Never compromise speed or range for sound.
Your tone or sound is the most personal and identifying characteristic of your playing. It is your musical identity and it’s who you are on your instrument. Listen to players you like. Emulate those that inspire you. most personal and identifying characteristic of your playing. It is your musical identity and it’s who you are on your instrument. Listen to players you like. Emulate those that inspire you.
Don’t worry about being perfect before you start. Be willing to face up to and work on your weak areas when they show up. Practice them until you don’t have to think about them anymore. Listen to players that have come before you. There is nothing wrong with imitation especially in the earlier stages. Your own voice will develop naturally if you are playing what you hear. Persistence, perseverance and patience are the keys to competence in mastering the art of improvising.
JI: I’ve observed that two diverse approaches often influence or tug at the direction that trumpeters focus on— the amazing technique of Maynard Ferguson, and or the depth of content and unique sound approaches of Miles Davis, Clifford Brown, and Freddie Hubbard, among others. Could you comment, and discuss the temptation to focus on or be drawn to technique over the music itself that some artists experience.
DJ: Back in 1971, I was given a wonderful article discussing the relationship between art and communication. At that time, I began to really take a look at what was going on with technique, content, sound and the musical experience itself. I relied on my old, dusty dictionary to find that technique is simply the procedure, skill or expertise in handling something, like an instrument or a voice. Art, on the other hand, is usually defined as the creation of some beautiful or thought provoking work, as in music, painting or writing etc.
So, I puzzled, how much technique do I need to get my musical message, (which can be any feeling, sensation, desire or anything else) across to the listener and make it a desirable artistic experience at the time? It was clear to me that technique was just a tool to help me reach people with my music and to touch them emotionally. It is there to push the idea forward and give it the power and punch to impact the listener and the audience. Seemed simple enough, I just had to keep my priorities straight.
The message . . . the idea...is dominant! As long as I remembered that the purpose of practicing technique was to get my message across more effectively, I was okay. And if I started working on technique only for its own sake, I knew I had fallen off the rails. And, significantly, I began to make rapid progress in finding my own musical voice at that moment.
I knew I wasn't going to be the new Maynard, Miles or Chet because even at my best I would only be a copy of them. I discovered that the more I trusted my own instincts about how and what to play, the more I began to sound like myself...and the more I liked what I heard! For a more complete discussion on this topic, go to www.bobbyshew.com, from whom I learned nearly everything I know about playing the trumpet.
JI: Most of us are baffled or frightened by mere smokescreens. Once we understand these events simply as the illusions they are, we can often transcend these “walls” and experience the fulfillment and success that lies just beyond our current awareness. If you’ve experienced this kind of evolution at one point or another in your life, could you share that with us?
DJ: I have found that many of the difficulties and problems of life appear so only because we have not really faced them. At one point in my life I found that the complexities of life increased only to the degree I was unwilling to meet them head on. And, when I did willingly face whatever life presented me with, things became simpler. I have found that the first barrier to learning anything new or gaining any new ability, is thinking that you already know all you need to know, without any further study. With this idea, you’ve made it impossible to improve further. To apply this concept to any instrument, if you are unwilling to face, for instance, the fact that you never really learned your basics, you’ll find many aspects of music quite baffling.
“To me, the saying, ‘strive for tone’ remains the most important element in improvising. Your tone, your sound is the most personal and identifying characteristic of your playing. It is your musical identity and it’s who you are on your instrument.”
– Dan Jacobs
It is humbling to have to face your weakness and admit that you have something to learn, but it is the only way you are going to really improve and reach levels of effortless mastery in your playing. Life is a constant, ongoing study. And the more I know, the more I find out there is to know. In the words of Bobby Shew, “I’m humbled every day by the trumpet. But, I still know that it’s just $35.00 worth of brass and without me doing something to it, nothing happens! I’m the one controlling it, not the reverse.” This makes total sense to me and clarified the proper relationship between the horn and me.
JI: To be truly universal, one must be particular moment by moment, detail by detail. How does this perspective or approach manifest itself in your life and music?
DJ: In my opinion, if all my attention is hung up on something in the past then I have less attention to devote to succeeding right now, let alone planning for something better in the future. I know I tend to get what I keep my attention on. So, if my attention is on my past, my future will be much the same. In my opinion, if all my attention is hung up on something in the past then I have less attention to devote to succeeding right now, let alone planning for something better in the future. I know I tend to get what I keep my attention on. So, if my attention is on my past, my future will be much the same.
I heard this concept stated by Chick Corea once when he said something to the effect that when he performs at his best, he is totally in the moment, completely in the present, creating each moment right now. He’s not thinking of what he did a day ago or a second ago. He’s not even thinking about the future. He’s just in the present moment totally, and he creates most effectively from that state. I agree with him completely and strive for this state every time I pick up my instrument.
JI: How do you stay balanced-as an artist, as an individual given the many distractions that surround us and the stress?
DJ: I have learned to trust my instincts completely about people and situations in my life. If I have a bad feeling about someone or something going on around me, I don’t ignore my instincts or make excuses to “explain” away some odd behavior or situation. I call it for what it is and act accordingly. I either handle them in some effective manner to get them straightened out, or get them out of my life. I get rid of “toxic connections” fast and never look back! Conversely, if I see that I routinely do better around certain people, I’ll do everything in my power to help them any way I can.
I’m very loyal to my friends and I know who they are. I never compromise with my own sense of personal integrity in my music or my life. I figure if I don’t believe in myself, why should anyone else? I have an unshakeable belief in the basic goodness in people. Personally, I’ve never found a person who “tried” to do the wrong thing. In my experience, most people try to do the right thing and are willing to correct themselves...eventually.
Finally, I believe that artists are arguably the most valuable people on this earth. For they seek to inject the culture with all the art, beauty or aesthetics you find on this planet. Without the working artist, the world would not be as livable, and, I’m proud to be counted as one of them.
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- JAZZ IMPROV MAGAZINE INTERVIEW with DAN JACOBS (Mar 18, 2005)